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| Marcus
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08-19-2002 04:50 PM     
I know a guy who has a Edmunds dual intake with carbs for sale $340 for the intake and the carbs are rebuilt rochesters 2Gc's for $100 ea. call me dont email because i'm in the middle of switching over to dsl call 866-698-5930 or 510-894-2845 ------------------
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| fatassbuick
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08-19-2002 04:53 PM
I already have one, but you may want to say whether it's for the small 8 or the big one. IP:
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| Marcus
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08-19-2002 05:00 PM
for the 320 cid.... THANKS.. ------------------
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| Saltrocket
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08-19-2002 05:07 PM
Marcus could you get a picture of that manifold? I like to see it. IP:
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| Jdee
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08-19-2002 08:42 PM
Did they make one for a 248ci? I'd like to find one.. for the small 8. A split exhaust manifold would be nice too. Jdee You can hear my 39 Buick here... Sounds a little ruff and is dark out IP:
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| Tuck
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08-19-2002 08:52 PM
how many cubic inchs was a 50 buick straight eight? IP:
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| TP
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08-19-2002 09:00 PM
jdee,they did make one for the 248-263.I made my own 3x1 intake and using 41 split exhaust.Call Jerry Bureau@541-343-0604 he had a 2x2 Edmunds for the small 248-263 but didn't have carbs. Seems like he wanted $275.00 but I'm not for sure. TP IP:
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| Jdee
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08-19-2002 09:05 PM
Thanks man, I'll call tomorrow. Jdee IP:
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| TP
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08-19-2002 09:41 PM
Tuck I believe 248. I think the 263 came out in 51. IP:
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| jamie
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08-20-2002 08:27 AM
Marcus keep an eye out for one of those for a Pontiac straight 8 for me! 
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| Scotch
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08-20-2002 12:20 PM
TP- here's the deal: There were three different Straight 8s for Buick in 1950. The low-line cars (cheapest) like the Special and Super were only offered with the 248 (3-3/32 bore with a 4-1/8-inch stroke) and the 263 (3-3/16-inch bore with the same 4-1/8-inch stroke). The 248 manual trans 8 made 115hp, the Dynaflow-backed 248 made 124 hp, the manual 263 made 124hp and the 263 with a Dynaflow made 128hp. They differed in compression ratio to make different power numbers. The 320 is a physically larger engine, and few parts swap between the "small-block" 248/263s, and the "big-block" 320s. Most of the hot rod parts you'll find are for the 320, since it was a Buick powerplant from the mid-30s all the way till the V-8s took over in mid-'53. There's just more of them out there. The small-blocks were also made till '53, but they only came out in '48 or '49. By 1950, the big 320-inch S-8 was only offered in the big Roadmaster, since the engien was so huge it would not fit comfortably in the smaller Special/Super models. Interestingly, it's really not too hard to build a custom intake manifold for these engines, since all the intake ports are aligned on the same side of the engine. I'm building one myself, and it's going to be much cooler and much more unique than searching all over for an old one that I may or may not like. IP:
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| TP
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08-20-2002 02:39 PM
Scotch,did you know all of that or were you reading. I'm impressed ,I learned something today.I haven't found a whole lot of info on the buicks.Let me ask you a question then. Does it hurt on the 53 auto trans to start out in low then shift up to drive if you don,t hold it too long. I've been told it will build up pressure in the drum and bust it. It's a dog if you just start out in drive.What do you think?Does anyone make a performance cam for the 263?I.m going to tear mine down this winter and do the intake and exhaust change. Probably shave the head about 45 thou. also.TP IP:
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| fatassbuick
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08-20-2002 04:30 PM
Hey, TP, Marcus will get your cam reground. I think some other places will do it, but you oughta find an extra cam so you're not down too long. I've heard you can go .175" (one hundred and seventy five thousanths, not a typo) on the shave but my machinist got woozy headed and stopped at .045" or .06" (jeez, now I forgot) because he thought he'd hit the spark plug bosses. I went with his suggestion. Scotch, I think your choices on straight 8 intakes are pretty much limited to Edmunds and some imaginary one that was on the inliners site (Well, it's in my imagination). I've only seen Edmunds. IP:
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| Scotch
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08-20-2002 05:49 PM
TP- the low gear will go away if you keep loading up on it like that. The DynaFlow is a dog because the converter is horribly inefficient. It winds up, the car starts to move, and the engine rpm just stays constant as teh converter fights to keep up. It's sad, but completely normal. Do you remember watching Dustion Hoffman play a retard in Rainman? They had a nice Straight-8 Dynaflow ragtop in that film, and when you hear them leave from a standing start, it'll sound mighty familiar to ya. They all do it. It's an acceptabel rate of acceleration for 1950. This is a big reason why FatAss and Broman and I are all so interested in transmission swaps. We want to keep the S-8s under our hoods, but the DynaFlow has got to go!! A modern, efficient converter/transmission will make our cars feel much more modern, and they'll drive like "normal" cars for a change. I'm also upgrading brakes so it'll stop like a "normal" car, and I'm rebuilding my 263 with increased compression (from the factory 7.2:1 up to 9:1) and adding some go-fast goodies. Not as much for looks, or race-winning performance, but to help the hulk drive like a normal car. It's already cool, it just needs a bit more efficiency so I can keep up with the small-block Chevy guys. IP:
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| Idoler
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08-20-2002 05:56 PM
Howards made a 5 carb intake for the large series Straight 8 motors. Very hard to come by, but out there. IP:
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| Idoler
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08-20-2002 06:00 PM
ALso, if you all are interested ina swap, I have a friend who can get what you need to throw a C4 behind a straight 8. If you want a stick, get the stock trans and install an Olds tailshaft for an open drive line. I have hopped up my Straight 8 in my 50 nd it is great. Unfortuneatly, I keep breaking bell housings. Not sure why it happens, and have given up trying to figure it out. Anyhow, hope that info helps for trannie swaps. Let me know if you want me to get more info on the C4 swap IP:
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| TP
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08-20-2002 06:02 PM
Scotch-Fatass, you two probably already know that Pentronics builds a dist. kit for the 263. The part # 1188N6 and is available through your local Hi-Lo Riely. Talked to the guys today.Scotch why don't you and the machinist extrodiare fatass build us some adapters.I'm in for one when you do.Fatass you've got my number just send it when its ready. Ok Scotch I guess I'll have to accept what its doing for now.I believe if I had a spare block to work with I can fabricate an adapter.I may look around here for a core and give it a whirl.I've got a buddy that runs a machine shop that I can get to help me with the machining.TP In Houston that stands for sell High,Low quality. It don't fit and they say "o-really" the bums. IP:
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| Hell-N
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08-20-2002 06:47 PM
Hey Marcus - check your PM's ------------------
Fearless leader of the Radiator Hoes!! IP:
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| TP
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08-20-2002 06:51 PM
Idoler, you bet I want the adapter for a c-4.Email me and I'll give you my phone number. I'd heard of them but didn't know who had it. Thanks man.I'll buy one or swap it doesn't matter to me.TP IP:
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| fatassbuick
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08-20-2002 07:04 PM
These S8 Buick threads fucking rock. Idoler, if you can send me a friggin' print, a lot of guys would get happy! I'll feed everyone's fix for the price of the material. Watch this...I gave an S8 internet buddy of mine a little hell...HE'D BETTER SIGN THE FUCK UP!!! The fucking guy got a V8 Pontiac distro and made it work for a Buick S8. Just for the hell of it. Whoa...Uh, realize I'm drinking Jim Beam because I have a cold, so I may be a little abrasive..... [This message has been edited by fatassbuick (edited 08-20-2002).] IP:
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| TP
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08-20-2002 07:13 PM
Fatass for Prez. Is that cool or what.If there's any welding involved I can do all that for everybody.this is what makes the HAMB so damn cool. I've heard of this but probably would have never found out who the guy was. Fatass you may have to work a little o.t. if this pans out.TP IP:
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| fatassbuick
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08-20-2002 07:16 PM
Hey, fuck, I'm all over it TP. I like what I do for a living...it's a lot cooler to see someone appreciate it! IP:
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| TP
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08-20-2002 08:00 PM
Scotch, what are you doing to the brakes? A kit or have you found something that will interchange?I've started me a spiral notebook of cool things that I want to remember. IP:
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| Jdee
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08-20-2002 08:32 PM
An adapter for a c-4 would be great I would think there would be lots guys needing just that. I've asked a few times over at the inliners forum but it was a dead topic there. I sure would like to see my tourqe tube go away.. Jdee ------------------
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| Idoler
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08-20-2002 08:35 PM
Fatassbuick, I wll do my best to get in touch with Gary tonight and see what I can find out. Once I get the info, i Will get it to you asap. Thanks Stefan IP:
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| Idoler
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08-20-2002 09:38 PM
TP, I emailed you. Just let me know if you got it. I am having some issues wth my email these days. IP:
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| ironhunter
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08-20-2002 09:45 PM
hell yeah, what he said. Buicks rock, Nailheads, S-8, it dont matter. Goooooood shit :-) ------------------
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| TP
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08-20-2002 09:56 PM
Stefhan, I got it and mailed you back. I tryed to call your cell and got your voice mail.TP IP:
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| Idoler
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08-20-2002 11:06 PM
Here is the deal... For the C4, you need to have a Dynaflow motor or at least a Dynaflow Crank to install in your stick motor. You will also need the Automatic bellhousing . It can be done for either a small or large series motor. He can also hook us up with the info for any GM 4 or 5 speed trans if you want. That looks like the route I will take. So, if you are interested let me know and I can put you in touch with him. He is also getting ready to make headers for the srtaight 8s. On a side note, TP said that i should mention that my big old 50 Fastback runs 16.9s. I know it is not all that fast, but I guess it is not bad for a 50 with a straight 8 & a 3 speed. Later Stefan IP:
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| TP
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08-20-2002 11:25 PM
Stefan, I contacted Gary and he's going to hook me up. He has to have one piece machined then send it.Thanks Stefhan. TP IP:
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| Scotch
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08-21-2002 12:39 PM
Where the hell is Broman in all this? Anyways, if we get this thing going, I'm on board. I've already got a C4 going back together at the tranny shop so I could investigate this swap further, but Gary is the same guy I was talking to (I'm pals with his more-famous brother) and it seems we're all on the same page here. Tp- FYI, I found a good reference page for 1950 Straight 8s at http://autohobbypage.com/specs/gen/buick50.html Good luck! IP:
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| Idoler
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08-21-2002 02:18 PM
Very cool I have never met his brother, but know who he is. Gary has a few other things comming up as well. I gues he has an HEI unit and is working in headers. I will keep you all posted as I hear more. Stefan IP:
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| roaddevil
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08-21-2002 03:02 PM
Hey FAB your running a dual header on your S8 right? I have that dual set up for
the 41 but i and leaning away from chopping that motor mount. So i am thinking
custom built header. Then i will sell off that 41 exhaust
I hope that makes sence my cold meds tweek my brain a little ------------------
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| Idoler
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08-21-2002 04:02 PM
Roaddevil Talk to TP about his solution to the motor mount. Also, I simply dropped my mount down and used the 2 bottom holes on the block with the 2 top holes on the frame. I had been told to do this by a few old time Buick guys. Seems to have worked well for them. As I mentioned, I hear that headers are int he works as well. Might be worth waiting for. IP:
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| fatassbuick
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08-21-2002 04:06 PM
No, I'm not running the split. I was gonna, but decided on a home made header so TP has it now. Lately El Slobo has been getting all of my attention and money, but when it finally moves under it's own power, heads an tranny will be next for the fatass. I gotta have at least one driveable. IP:
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| TP
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08-21-2002 05:24 PM
Roadevil, the motor mount is simple.I'll try and explain but I have a template I made. Take the mount thats on the engine and turn it upside down and rebolt it in place.Re move the one thats mounted to the frame.Take the piece you remove from frame and draw your bolt pattern on 1/4 inch plate.Here is where I have a template made.On the 1/4 I welded a ear on it that would accept the factory rubber mount. Welded a gusset under each end and bolted it in place.If you want the pattern I'll send to you. It took me about an hour to do it the first time and can do it in 30 min. the next. Its very simple.I'm sure you know that Pentronix builds a HEI convertion for it also.I have part #1188N6 as the correct application.If you get rid of oem set up let me know. TP IP:
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| Broman
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08-21-2002 06:04 PM
Uhhh, where the hell HAVE I been.... I must have been temporarily retarded or something. I passed right over this post. Anywho, I am also interested in a tranny swap. Be it a 700r4 or a C4 or a GM 4-5 speed who the fuck cares, just let me get rid of this damned slipping slushy friggin' 3-speed!!!! You guys better not be pulling our chains, me, Scotch and Fat-Ass have been looking nation-wide for a swap-out for these cars for a very long time. Then here you come from out of nowhere and you're like, "Ohh yea, I can do that,no problem." Not that I don't believe you but you better not be fucking with us. We really want to be able to drive our Buicks around with S8's and not have to wrestle the sloshy and very slow shifting 3-speed. I swear it takes about 3 seconds in between each gear. It's alright for a cruiser, but at rush hour in town people don't give a fuck how cool your Buick is when it is holding back all the traffic!! My engine runs ok, and it feels quite torquey. I tried to lay a patch about a month ago - showing of in front of my homies - and all you could hear was my engine going RRRAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH......and nothing happening but a Buick moving at a slow crawl. No burned rubber, no black mark, no squealin' tires, just the stench of slipping clutch. I wrote it off at the time but deep down I long for some better perfomance and drivability. I would hate to tear my car apart to donate it to someone so that they could have a model to work with only to find out that it might not be possible. Plus I am concerned with the cost of this adapter. I am on a strict budget with my cars and if it costs too much I will just have to deal with what I got. I mean it works now, so why mess with it. But I am pulling for this all the way and I will do all I can to help out the cause. Hope this doesn't sound too negative, I am pumed to hear some potential progress on this. ------------------
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| Idoler
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08-21-2002 06:43 PM
Broman I can assure you tht Gary is right on. If I remember the cost of the adapter for the C4 is 385 bucks. TP can confirm it, because I gues he just bought the one Gary had. You and I bot have 3 speeds, so we cant to the C4 swap with out changing our crank first. I will talk to Gary again shortly and get the details for the 4 or 5 speed swap and post them here. LAst night I was ina bit of a rush and did not actually write down waht the specific parts were for that swap. It did sound fairly easy. Here is the list of what I have done, mechanically, to my Buick: -Head milled .125, since then I have learned I could have gone .250 -Dual point Mallory -41 intake & exhaust W/ straight pipes & 94's -I had Isky make me a cam -the motor is .060 over I think that is about it other than the rebuild as well. My car goes good for such a heavy car. I can get a little bit of rubber, but not much. But that was all before the bellhousing kept breaking. Now I have a 2 and a half ton hunk of steel in my driveway. So I am very excited about the trans swap. Take it Easy Stefan IP:
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| TP
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08-21-2002 09:31 PM
Broman check your email-TP IP:
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| Marcus
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08-21-2002 11:16 PM
im back.... IP:
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